In this episode of 'Art Heals All Wounds', I speak with filmmaker Christina YR Lim about 'B-Side for Taylor', a film that explores adoption, identity, and family secrets. As a contribution to National Adoption Awareness Month, the discussion centers around the film's storyline, which follows a Korean American adoptee's journey to learn more about her origins as well as dealing with her adoptive mother's death. The film also dives into the complex dynamics around adoption and the need for open and honest communication within families. Uzzell and Lim discuss the rich themes and choices in character development, shedding light on how art can be an avenue for exploring and addressing societal issues.
00:12 Introduction to Art Heals All Wounds
00:47 Exploring the Theme of Adoption
01:05 Unveiling Family Secrets
01:40 Invitation to Share Your Story
02:11 Interview with Film Director Christina YR Lim
02:37 Exploring the Film 'B-Side for Taylor'
03:42 Unraveling the Plot Twists
04:31 Conversation with Christina YR Lim
04:48 Behind the Scenes of 'B-Side for Taylor'
08:11 Exploring the Theme of Family Secrets
11:54 Understanding the Characters in 'B-Side for Taylor'
23:40 The Open-Ended Nature of the Film
28:21 Finding Christina YR Lim and 'B-Side for Taylor'
29:24 Closing Remarks
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In this episode of 'Art Heals All Wounds', I speak with filmmaker Christina YR Lim about 'B-Side for Taylor', a film that explores adoption, identity, and family secrets. As a contribution to National Adoption Awareness Month, the discussion centers around the film's storyline, which follows a Korean American adoptee's journey to learn more about her origins as well as dealing with her adoptive mother's death. The film also dives into the complex dynamics around adoption and the need for open and honest communication within families. Uzzell and Lim discuss the rich themes and choices in character development, shedding light on how art can be an avenue for exploring and addressing societal issues.
00:12 Introduction to Art Heals All Wounds
00:47 Exploring the Theme of Adoption
01:05 Unveiling Family Secrets
01:40 Invitation to Share Your Story
02:11 Interview with Film Director Christina YR Lim
02:37 Exploring the Film 'B-Side for Taylor'
03:42 Unraveling the Plot Twists
04:31 Conversation with Christina YR Lim
04:48 Behind the Scenes of 'B-Side for Taylor'
08:11 Exploring the Theme of Family Secrets
11:54 Understanding the Characters in 'B-Side for Taylor'
23:40 The Open-Ended Nature of the Film
28:21 Finding Christina YR Lim and 'B-Side for Taylor'
29:24 Closing Remarks
Don't forget to go to my website and leave me YOUR story of belonging to feature on a future episode!
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[00:00:00] Pam Uzzell: Do you believe art can change the world? So do I! On this show, we meet artists whose work is doing just that. Welcome to Art Heals All Wounds. I'm your host, Pam Uzzell.
[00:00:47] If you listened to last week's episode, Then you know that November is National Adoption Awareness Month. As an adoptee, I really want to include stories of adoptees as part of that awareness. [00:01:00] Today's episode explores a film about a Korean American adoptee. One of the big themes in this film is the role of
[00:01:09] secrets in families. I once heard a fellow adoptee say that adoptees hate secrets. And I'm still thinking about whether that's true for me and how much my own family had secrets, either from the outside world or from each other. How and why do secrets in families get started? Living with family secrets can really do a number on your head in terms of connecting with others.
[00:01:36] Thank you for listening to this season of Art Heals All Wounds. I'm focusing on belonging and I'm wondering, did your family have secrets? Why were certain things kept secret? How did that affect your sense of belonging? I especially would love to hear how you learned new patterns of communication.
[00:01:55] Please, share your story with me. If you go to my [00:02:00] website, arthealsallwoundspodcast. com, you'll find a link there to leave me a voicemail. Let me know your story of belonging, and I'll share it on a future episode. My guest today is film director Christina YR Lim, and we're talking about her film B-Side for Taylor.
[00:02:19] This film is all about family secrets, and it was great to talk to Christina about why she thought that all of her characters were keeping so many secrets. B- Side for Taylor also explores transracial adoption and the unique set of challenges with that. The story revolves around two families. The first one is Taylor's family.
[00:02:40] Taylor is a teenage Korean American adoptee whose adoptive mother has recently died. Taylor feels desperate to know more about her origins and embarks on a secret search for her birth mother. Meanwhile, she and her adoptive father, who has his own heavy secret, drift further and further apart in their grief.
[00:02:59] The second [00:03:00] family is a Korean family, who moves in across the street from Taylor, bringing secrets of their own. In this family, these secrets create a rift between the mother and the teenage daughter. One great thing, though, is that the mother of the new Korean family is able to help Taylor experience parts of her Korean heritage, as well as provide some much needed nurturing for her.
[00:03:19] As you can imagine, at a certain point, all of these secrets collide, giving the characters some hope of understanding each other and healing the rifts between them. Christina explores some complicated and loaded family dynamics around adoption and identity. All of these issues are right in her wheelhouse of exploring the Asian diaspora through coming of age dramedies.
[00:03:42] Because this film is making its way through festivals, I try not to give away too much about the plot twist in the film because they are significant. But to help you understand the conversation, I will say that we find out that Taylor has been told a very big, enormous lie about her birth family by her parents her entire [00:04:00] life.
[00:04:00] Taylor's mother and father made a pact to not tell Taylor about her true origins until she turns 18. But once her mother passes away and Taylor begins searching for her birth family, how long can her dad avoid telling her the truth? And why did Taylor's parents lie in the first place? These are some of the things we talk about in our conversation about Christina's film, B- Side for Taylor.
[00:04:31] Hi, Christina. Thank you so much for being on Art Heals All Wounds. Can you start by introducing yourself, just telling us who you are and what you do?
[00:04:39] Christina YR Lim: Sure.
[00:04:40] I'm really excited to be here. My name is Christina YR Lim and I am a filmmaker.
[00:04:47] Pam Uzzell: Yes. And you have a film that you completed was it in 2023, B-Side for Taylor?
[00:04:54] Christina YR Lim: It was a long
[00:04:55] endeavor. So we filmed in, actually, uh, 2021, [00:05:00] but we were complete in 2022.
[00:05:04] Pam Uzzell: Okay.
[00:05:04] Christina YR Lim: And then our, it premiered 23. It's
[00:05:07] a long process.
[00:05:08] Pam Uzzell: Oh, I know. I know.
[00:05:09] Christina YR Lim: Oh, yeah.
[00:05:10] Pam Uzzell: And I saw that film and I loved it. And I have so many things that I want to talk to you about. Can you just give a brief synopsis of this film, what it's
[00:05:23] about?
[00:05:24] Christina YR Lim: Of course. So it is about a Korean American adoptee who lives in middle America and her adoptive mother has just passed away about a year ago.
[00:05:34] And it's also important to note that she was her best friend as well. And so she and her adoptive father are grieving in various different ways and kind of isolating from each other. And of course, because of this, she's always wanted to know where her, uh, where she comes from and her origin story, but I think it's made it even more urgent.
[00:05:55] And so when a, a Korean family immigrates next door, [00:06:00] she befriends them and is able to find a way to almost a portal to, you know, her culture that she's disconnected from, but is also still dealing with feelings of guilt about wanting to know where her birth family is, you know, in the midst of a relationship with her dad.
[00:06:16] And so it's the story about her dealing with that and then finding out where she's from. But that's where all the drama lies.
[00:06:22] Pam Uzzell: Well, I'm so curious, what made you choose this story? I know you wrote the film as well as directed it. So what brought you or what, what was the inspiration behind doing this story?
[00:06:35] Christina YR Lim: So basically I
[00:06:36] was raised by my stepdad who is Caucasian. He's been my dad since I was about eight. And I've been largely estranged from my birth dad, who I do know and everything, but pretty estranged. And so I just remember in my formative years, I don't know why my mind goes to my formative years, because I don't think it's something that you just [00:07:00] deal with and get over.
[00:07:01] It's something that kind of lives with you, but I have felt it strongly in my formative years, and I remember specifically feeling really worried and feelings of guilt because I wanted to know more about my dad and how, you know, how I came to be as a result of who he is. But in my mind that really conflicted with my stepdad who, you know, is my parent and just worried that he might, I don't know, think that it's me questioning who he is in my life.
[00:07:31] And so I think with the movie, I really wanted to hone it on that specific personal experience that I had. And so it kind of fleshed out in this way, but it's not necessarily autobiography of my, you know, my own story or anything like that. So, yeah, that's kind of the starting off point for me.
[00:07:49] Pam Uzzell: That is really interesting.
[00:07:51] Well, I'm adopted, which is what drew me to your film. A lot of things you're talking about, especially that feeling of guilt that you're [00:08:00] betraying your adoptive parent or in your case, your stepfather that really, really resonates with me and I don't want to give away too many spoilers about your film,
[00:08:10] Christina YR Lim: Right.
[00:08:11] Pam Uzzell: But I have a huge question, which is that Taylor's parents were not completely honest. Well, they weren't honest at all about her origins. Why did you make that choice for this story?
[00:08:28] Christina YR Lim: You
[00:08:28] know,
[00:08:29] I think it was kind of twofold. The first reason is because in my own, I don't know if it's a cultural thing, in my mind it is a cultural thing.
[00:08:38] But, so much of the way in my home, love was expressed for better or for worse, it's not always the best, but it is through wanting to protect each other. And so, I think often that can turn into white lies or things like that. And. You know, not always, but sometimes that could feel like betrayal or [00:09:00] omission of really important information, things like that.
[00:09:03] And so that was really prevalent in my, my family. And as I got older, I saw that as a form of love, you know? And so I wanted to show the complexity of you don't always do the quote unquote, right thing, or, you know, the best thing for the other person, but it can still be intended with love. And so I think that's why
[00:09:25] from her parents point of view, the reason why they lie to Taylor about, you know, where she comes from is really about loving and protecting her and what they think is the best. Obviously it explodes in their face, you know, as it often does. I think the other reason is because of my background.
[00:09:43] I really hope to be an adoptive parent one day. And I think it's interesting that often when we talk about Korean adoptees, it's usually overseas, which is, you know, the case, but I think there are a lot of domestic adoptions as well.
[00:09:58] And so it was just kind of [00:10:00] creating a nod towards that part of the conversation. Yeah.
[00:10:04] Pam Uzzell: Oh, that's interesting. One thing that as I was watching it and then just thinking about the film afterwards was that there's a huge theme of secrets in families and you put it so accurately that they often explode
[00:10:21] in your face and they have unintended consequences, no matter how good the intentions were in the beginning. And I love that theme because with both of your families, because there are two families and we, I want to talk about the second family. So with both the families, they're keeping a secret and they're doing it in a way to kind of protect probably the children, you know, Taylor and what is the, what is the girl's name?
[00:10:51] The Lee family's daughter,
[00:10:53] Christina YR Lim: Da-Young,
[00:10:54] Pam Uzzell: Da-Young, they're, they're doing that to protect them and the confusion [00:11:00] and anger and all those things that are a result of that secret, it does make me think, wow, you know, in families, we have to do the hard job of telling our kids the truth at whatever level they're able to understand it and then helping them work through that truth as opposed to creating a secret.
[00:11:22] Because I think in a way, kids always know that something's wrong.
[00:11:26] Christina YR Lim: Oh yeah, I agree. I mean, I tend to write a lot of, uh, characters in their formative years. The mistake that I make often, and the thing that I have to constantly tell myself, is that children are much smarter than I give them credit for, because especially nowadays, too, I think kids are very instinctual.
[00:11:47] And so I agree. I think they, often know, pretty much all the time, know.
[00:11:52] I agree,
[00:11:53] Pam Uzzell: Right, right. And I do want to talk about the Lees now because I thought they were a really [00:12:00] interesting development in Taylor's world. She lives in a predominantly white space, the neighborhood, her school and this family from Korea moves in and in a way, she's able to transfer some of her need for nurturing and things to the mother of this family But then there's such a strong mother- daughter conflict in the Lee family So I thought that was really really interesting and both of these two young women are able to help the other one heal in a certain way.
[00:12:40] So, when did you have the idea that this, these neighbors from Korea were going to become part of the story? And how did you kind of visualize this idea of this bridge that they're able to connect for each other? Especially the two teenage girls. I thought they were amazing. I love the actresses. So, I would love to [00:13:00] hear more about this story idea.
[00:13:02] Christina YR Lim: Absolutely. I
[00:13:03] think, well, first of all, those two leads, they're just gems. Every time we screen, people are really like, how did you find them? Where are they from? Tell me their story. They're just... The chemistry between them is something that you can't just create, I think, and so we really, really lucked out by, um, bringing them together.
[00:13:22] But in terms of
[00:13:24] Taylor's ,
[00:13:25] story being catapulted by their arrival, I really wanted to tell a story about a Korean American girl connecting with her Korean roots rather than her feeling, I guess, isolated within a white community's context, if that makes sense. And so I found that if I were to bring, um, almost like a portal for her, then we can really focus on that part of her journey because yes, she does live in a all white community.
[00:13:57] But I guess I didn't want to tell her story [00:14:00] in the backdrop of, you know, being the only one or something. I would rather focus on her, you know, kind of feeling mirrored by these newcomers. And so for me, I really wanted to do that. The movie is a lot about grief and the loss of something, whether that's the loss of, your parent or your home or, you know, relationships or things like this.
[00:14:25] I also think the second part is kind of evolving from that grief and letting go of a life that you've lost and then fully embracing the new one that is either present or coming to you And so I think thematically I wanted Taylor's grief to also inform Autumn's grief over her loss of her home and the future she thought she was going to have and so I kind of wanted it to be like a two way street if that makes sense. For me,
[00:14:55] I think it's Taylor is getting a mother figure through Autumn, [00:15:00] but Autumn is almost getting to be able to talk to her former child self through Taylor. And so I was hoping that they would both go through an arc of their own by their interactions together, and kind of coming out of grief together.
[00:15:15] Pam Uzzell: Well, some of my favorite scenes were, you know, trying Korean food for the first time for Taylor that one really for whatever reason just struck me right in the heart, you know, to be a teenager to be Korean American and to have never tried Korean food. , you know, food is such a portal to so many other things.
[00:15:39] I read your bio. Which is very funny. I love your bio, um, on your website.
[00:15:47] And you reference, your five year old dream to be a K pop star. And you give a nod to that in this film, which again, plays so well into a [00:16:00] conflict between mother and daughter. I'm wondering, is that just a nod? They're like, Oh, I used to want to do that. Or because it's also creates the bridge between Da-Young and Taylor in that Taylor's deceased mother gave voice lessons.
[00:16:15] So I thought that was another really interesting little way to make a connection. .
[00:16:21] Christina YR Lim: It's funny, themes just kind of pop up. Some themes you intend for, and then some themes just kind of start evolving on their own. And then so after you've written or made a film, you rewatch it and you're like, wow, that is another theme.
[00:16:35] That's really great. But I think to me, of course, this story is about a sense of, I guess, looking for where you belong. But I think that happens in a lot of ways in this film. So, Taylor with her culture and familial ways. But I think for Da-Young, it's kind of... I guess the way I can describe it is like the culture of her home.
[00:16:56] And so, the way I created Da-Young is... I mean, they're all [00:17:00] little bits of, I guess, parts of myself and my own experiences. And that's where I've drawn these characters from. But, um, with Da-Young.. I've had my own journey with, I'm the only weirdo in my family. I'm the only creative. They are all engineers or doctors and very STEM oriented people.
[00:17:18] And so growing up, I remember feeling sort of like the weirdo because I wanted to write poetry and, you know, dance and, you know, just do weird things. And I think when you're younger. Honestly, even now, but you know, when you're younger, you don't get to create your environment as much as you do now as an adult.
[00:17:36] But I think the most powerful thing as for children or for in formative years is again, that idea of feeling mirrored or feeling like you're around someone or a community that makes you feel like. Yeah, not a weirdo, you know, so that's that's a very important. I remember growing up and my parents not necessarily being discouraging, but not [00:18:00] quite understanding.
[00:18:01] And so I remember as I got older, I started to realize there are actually different types of intelligence and different types of gifts. It's not just academic or creative or whatever other, You know, avenues and so I wanted to kind of vicariously live through Da-Young's journey in trying to understand but also realizing and claiming that thing for herself but I also think it's twofold because I've seen it in my my mom who's incredibly supportive she's always been supportive but you know I think we can focus on the children and say Oh, they need to evolve and they need the mirroring, but also parents have an arc too.
[00:18:42] Parents aren't perfect. And so for me, Autumn is doing her best from where she is. And through the film, she starts to realize, Oh, my daughter is teaching me something. My daughter is teaching me that there isn't one way to be gifted, one way to be intelligent. [00:19:00] And so I think there's a sense of like them meeting each other in the middle.
[00:19:05] I think that's why I wanted to explore that. And it's her way of finding a sense of belonging. Um, like
[00:19:12] Taylor
[00:19:13] Pam Uzzell: And it's so symbolic that, again that Taylor's adopted mother who passed away before the film starts, that it's about voice, you know, she's a voice teacher and it is interesting how that plays a role in the unraveling of all the secrets in that the different characters do find
[00:19:34] their own voice in this and are able to advocate for themselves what they want and what they need. And did you plan that ahead, ?
[00:19:44] Christina YR Lim: Um, I, I hope so. . . But you know, the thing is, as I got older, the more I started really, you would think that as you got older, you understand better of your past. But I think in order to do that, you have to understand others better.[00:20:00]
[00:20:00] And so the older I got, I understood my mom's point of view a lot more. And so that made me reconcile with my own past, things like this. And so I think, in order for Da-Young to claim her voice, I think Autumn has to grow. As well, you know, it's kind of like a two parter. So,
[00:20:18] yeah.
[00:20:19] Pam Uzzell: Right, right. You know, essentially for everybody involved, everything either already has or is falling apart.
[00:20:28] Christina YR Lim: Yes.
[00:20:29] Pam Uzzell: And all of the really dysfunctional ways of trying to keep it all together just don't work at all. You know, We haven't talked about Taylor's relationship with her dad at all, which is really Uncomfortable. As a viewer it feels so uncomfortable and I found myself really mad at him a lot. I guess I was really identifying with Taylor And I, I really felt, I felt like [00:21:00] obviously he's grieving, but he left no space for her grief at all.
[00:21:07] And I don't know, what, what were your thoughts about both the character of the dad and then their relationship in this film?
[00:21:16] Christina YR Lim: I think the story
[00:21:18] is about Taylor trying to figure out where she's from and her birth family. But really, almost the subtext of it and the core of the, the heart of it. is her relationship with her dad.
[00:21:30] Kind of like if one character achieves something, the other characters have to evolve in order for that to happen. So I think in this, in order for her to figure out her birth family and her origins, I think that also means that she has to evolve in her relationship with her father. I wanted to make sure to humanize the, the parents, definitely, um, Bill, the father in that I, he's not perfect in any, by any means at [00:22:00] all.
[00:22:00] Over time he needs to make space for Taylor's grief as you said and also acknowledge that again she's probably stronger and smarter than he thinks and just trust her more than his own idea of who she is.
[00:22:15] Pam Uzzell: Right.
[00:22:15] Christina YR Lim: And so I really wanted to focus on Both of them being flawed, but I also think that the reason why it is quite an uncomfortable relationship to watch is because they're both avoiding each other, even though the only way to evolve is to kind of confront each other. And so for the majority of the film, they're basically avoiding and kind of living in two different orbs when they really have to.
[00:22:41] to be, um, kind of clashing and, you know, really going through it, you know? And so I think that ties up with the theme of secrets. I think the reason why things get more and more and more disheveled is because pretty much all the characters are trying to avoid the thing that they have to do. And [00:23:00] these secrets and these, you know, quote unquote, white lies just swell and swell until they can't be ignored anymore.
[00:23:06] Yeah, and I think that's really emblematic of life. , I have learned that denial is sometimes not your friend. And so I think that is often how our lives kind of unfold and we are confronted by the things that we have to, you know, deal with.
[00:23:21] I wanted to make sure it felt like it's a grounded, you know. grounded story that I think I hope when people watch it, even if they don't have this story of adoption or adoptive parent or, you know, I hope they see it and they're like, Oh yeah, that feels like some part of my
[00:23:38] family too.
[00:23:40]
[00:23:40] Pam Uzzell: You leave this story very open ended. Why did you want to do that?
[00:23:46] Christina YR Lim: Pretty much
[00:23:47] after every screening, including my own
[00:23:51] parents, come up to me and say,? okay, so then what happens? Like, what, what happened? , theater folks say you don't know what the [00:24:00] show is until the first day of previews or opening night, meaning until the audience comes in.
[00:24:05] That's really the final element of the show.
[00:24:08] Pam Uzzell: Right.
[00:24:08] Christina YR Lim: And, you know, art is all about the eye of the beholder, and so I wanted to leave space for what the audience How they would take it and so whenever someone asks me what happens after I usually ask them What do you think happens? Because that usually informs what they received Through the movie itself.
[00:24:31] Yeah
[00:24:33] Pam Uzzell: Well, it is interesting because you the story kind of ends with a lot of possibility, but really challenging possibility because there has been a breakthrough between Taylor and her dad, but that relationship is not going to be either rebuilt or built in a day. You know, that's not and the film very much feels like
[00:24:59] you're not [00:25:00] telling a fairy tale here .
[00:25:01] You said earlier that. Of course, these types of questions about identity and belonging, they don't go away, you know, you might feel them more poignantly at different points in your life, but you're going to be kind of chewing on them for the rest of your life.
[00:25:21] So I also felt like, well, of course, Christina can't go any further than this because it would be a very slow, long film about trying to process this, you know what I mean? It's like because the film is not giving us pat answers up until that point. So you're not going to end it Just like oh, this is great.
[00:25:46] And this is great. I just thought well, how could she go forward after this because
[00:25:50] Christina YR Lim: yeah
[00:25:51] Pam Uzzell: This is going to be like, is she supposed to show Taylor for the next 40 or 50 years processing?
[00:25:58] Christina YR Lim: Going to therapy every day. [00:26:00]
[00:26:01] Pam Uzzell: That could be the sequel. It could be a series each week.
[00:26:06] Christina YR Lim: Therapy session.
[00:26:08] Pam Uzzell: Yeah.
[00:26:08] Yeah. It was a really, really rich film.
[00:26:11] All these different relationships and the possibilities.
[00:26:15] And you've used both these words, belonging, loss, as we've talked. But I'm wondering to you how this story represents some of what you're trying to convey around both those ideas of loss and belonging and what what are they for you?
[00:26:33] Christina YR Lim: Well,
[00:26:34] I think a lot of my films ,if not all of them, are about the Asian diaspora And that there's a lot of complexities to that, right?
[00:26:43] I think it's not just about immigration But also the generations before and after. Whether that's the generation they left behind or the generations that are now seeded into, you know, wherever they move. And so I think there's inherent loss [00:27:00] and grief in that process and in those communities. But I also think that
[00:27:06] the other side of that is that there's a lot of, you know, birthing and there's a lot of newness to the next phase of things. And so I think inherently a lot of my, my films, because it's about that process and the individuals who, you know, lived through that, there's a lot of shedding and a lot of disconnection between generations and, you know, parent and, you know, children and things like that.
[00:27:31] And so I think those are really kind of ingrained in that community anyway. But I think the thing that I really want to always focus on is not necessarily the loss and grief of it, even though that is a big part, but what comes after, I think it's the reconnection, it's the rebuilding, it's the hope and the strength of the community.
[00:27:54] And so I think whatever I do, I really want to touch on that and let that [00:28:00] be the central, I guess energy of the story. And so I hope that's inherent in B-Side. And I hope that, whatever I do moving forward, that's always true.
[00:28:13] Pam Uzzell: That's a really beautiful thought. I love that. Looking at it through that lens, which is perfect for you because you're a filmmaker.
[00:28:20] Christina YR Lim: Yes.
[00:28:21] Pam Uzzell: Okay, so, Christina, where can people find out more about you and this film and your other work?
[00:28:28] Christina YR Lim: Well, B- Side right now is in the middle of, of its festival. And so if anybody wants to check out the specific details of it, we have a website. It's called, bsidefortaylorfilm.Com.
[00:28:42] And, um, so you know, it's pretty, pretty obvious. Um, and then my website is Christina Y. R. Lim dot com . Yeah, so, it's all there.
[00:28:52] Pam Uzzell: Well, thank you so much for sharing about this beautiful film and congratulations on making it. It is so [00:29:00] hard to make a feature film period, but a feature narrative film is really, really hard.
[00:29:05] You did an amazing job.
[00:29:07] Christina YR Lim: Thank you
[00:29:08] so much. I feel like I've aged maybe 15 years, but I would do it again. That's the problem. I would do it over and over again. So
[00:29:17] Pam Uzzell: that's very funny.
[00:29:19] Christina YR Lim: Thanks, Pam.
[00:29:20] Pam Uzzell: Thank you.
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[00:29:50] Thank you so much to Christina YR Lim for being on the show to talk about her film B-Side for Taylor. I loved learning more [00:30:00] about the themes and choices of her characters, and I loved Christina's perspective on the way that every loss also holds possibilities. If you want to learn more about Christina, I'll have all of her info in the show notes. Be sure to visit the website for B-Side for Taylor to see upcoming screenings and streaming opportunities.
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